In part 2, Carey and David sit down with Rick Warren to discuss the emotional impact that the pandemic has had on pastors, how to grieve in a healthy way as well as support others who are grieving.

Latasha Morrison (author and founder of Be The Bridge) joins Carey and David as they unpack recent Barna data on race and discuss how church leaders can respond with a discipleship mindset when leading their people toward racial diversity and reconciliation.

David Kinnaman sits down with Jennie Allen, president and founder of IF Gathering and author of ‘Get Out Of Your Head’, to discuss digital discipleship, the relationship between suffering and spiritual formation, and the challenges facing ministry to women, Gen Z and parents. Introduction by Carey Nieuwhof and Savannah Kimberlin.