Pete Scazzero (founding pastor of New Life Church in Queens, NY and author of Emotionally Healthy Spirituality) joins Carey and David to discuss the pandemic’s impact on the mental and emotional health of leaders and congregants.

Jeanne Stevens, co-lead pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, joins Carey and Savannah to talk about the importance of vision during times of crisis, overcoming personal hardships while leading and how to establish healthy relational boundaries in life and ministry.

Watch the episode from June 29, 2020. Carey and David are joined by Albert Tate and Nicole Martin in the second of a two-part conversation on racial justice and how pastors can listen, learn and lead well in this time of disruption.