Carey and David are joined by Glenn Packiam (Lead Pastor, New Life Church Downtown, Colorado Springs, CO) and Andrew Hebert (Lead Pastor, Paramount Baptist Church in Amarillo, TX) to talk about pastoral health, returning to in-person gatherings, and the challenges and opportunities of hybrid church ministry.

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