Carey Nieuwhof is in the guest seat today as David Kinnaman flips the mic on him to talk about making space for rest and healthy rhythms for leaders. Carey talks about designing physical spaces for productivity, managing your energy to avoid burnout and fostering relationships after years in ministry.
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To get a FREE copy of Carey’s new book, At Your Best, for Pastor Appreciation Month this October, visit Aspengroup.com/churchpulse today!

Aubrey Sampson (church planter and author) joins David Kinnaman to discuss the opportunities and obstacles she’s seeing for discipleship, the role of friendship in hosting difficult conversations and encouraging the everyday disciplemakers in your church.