Rich Villodas joins Carey Nieuwhof and Savannah Kimberlin to talk about how pastors can provide better pastoral care for their people while investing in their own spiritual health as leaders. Part 1 of 2.

Derwin Gray, Lead Pastor at Transformation Church in Charlotte, SC and author of the new book Building a Multiethnic Church, joins Carey Nieuwhof and Brooke Hempell to talk about the ongoing challenges of leading multiethnic churches and the need for pastors to go through their own journeys of transformation as they lead their congregations towards true diversity and real change.

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Jeanne Stevens, co-lead pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, joins Carey and Savannah to talk about the importance of vision during times of crisis, overcoming personal hardships while leading and how to establish healthy relational boundaries in life and ministry.