In part 2, Carey and David sit down with Rick Warren to discuss the emotional impact that the pandemic has had on pastors, how to grieve in a healthy way as well as support others who are grieving.

Sam Collier, lead pastor of Hillsong Atlanta, joins Carey and Savannah to talk more about what it’s been like planting a church during a pandemic as well as the importance of healthy boundaries and the ongoing process of racial reconciliation and healing. Part 2 of 2.

David Kinnaman sits down with Jennie Allen, president and founder of IF Gathering and author of ‘Get Out Of Your Head’, to discuss digital discipleship, the relationship between suffering and spiritual formation, and the challenges facing ministry to women, Gen Z and parents. Introduction by Carey Nieuwhof and Savannah Kimberlin.